tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post4689162409871828770..comments2022-04-06T07:30:04.972-04:00Comments on We Are The Future Generations: Inaugural Guest Post - Robert Baty On Presuppositionalism Peter Reillyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01473701483727808782noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-86931959452643663542014-05-25T16:58:40.117-04:002014-05-25T16:58:40.117-04:00Why Presuppositionalists Won't Seriously Talk ...Why Presuppositionalists Won't Seriously Talk With People!<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/groups/268679936646165/permalink/280676152113210/<br /><br />- From: JC Rooney (Presuppositionalist)<br />- FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/jc.rooney.3<br />- Date: Saturday, May 24, 2014<br />-<br />- It is not the Christian's job to convince.<br />-<br />- It is to proclaim.<br />-<br />- God does the rest.<br />RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-84292415336478114052014-05-24T22:02:02.123-04:002014-05-24T22:02:02.123-04:00Zack Martin
https://www.facebook.com/zackmartin93...Zack Martin <br />https://www.facebook.com/zackmartin93<br /><br />v.<br /><br />Robert Baty <br />https://www.facebook.com/robert.baty.1<br /><br />Subject: Presuppositionalism<br /><br />Venue (closed group):<br />https://www.facebook.com/groups/debatefaith/<br /><br />Thread:<br />https://www.facebook.com/groups/debatefaith/permalink/543173622458492/<br /><br />Zack indicated a short time ago that he may wish to <br />discuss certain aspects of Presuppositionalism with me.<br /><br />We will see how that prospect develops.<br /><br />The ball is now in his court to advance the discussion, <br />or not.RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-27147557733465691952014-05-23T18:36:55.064-04:002014-05-23T18:36:55.064-04:00Siri has not yet made her appearance here, but she...Siri has not yet made her appearance here, but she has been carrying on elsewhere about my posting above regarding her Presuppositional comments:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgbCTL0Fzw<br /><br />(1)<br /><br />From: Siri Haston Bright<br />To: Robert Baty<br />Date: Friday, May 23, 2014<br />Time: About 3:30 PM MT<br /><br />Praise be to God.<br /><br />But you're not quoting me,<br />just re-quoting Scripture that I already have.<br /><br />Read it and repent.<br /><br />(2)<br /><br />From: Robert Baty<br />To: Siri Haston Bright<br />Date: Friday, May 23, 2014<br />Time: About 3:40 PM MT<br /><br />Funny, Siri, funny you are.<br /><br />You didn't quote me or quote me quoting<br />you and you didn't quote scripture you were<br />allegedly quoting with book, chapter and<br />verse references.<br /><br />(3)<br /><br />From: Siri Haston Bright<br />To: Robert Baty<br />Date: Friday, May 23, 2014<br />Time: About 4:00 PM MT<br /><br />Well darlin, you have a couple of problems.<br /><br />1.<br /><br />Your links you posted, don't link. and<br /><br />2.<br /><br />You misspelled my name.<br />Now how will they ever find the ENTIRE<br />conversation that way?!<br /><br />You can do better than that.<br /><br />Also, like you said in your comments on your<br />strawman attack of the PA, you said we are<br />FORMER adversaries.<br /><br />Let's keep it that way, shall we?<br /><br />(4)<br /><br />From: Robert Baty<br />To: Siri Haston Bright<br />Date: Friday, May 23, 2014<br />Time: About 4:20 PM MT<br /><br />Siri, Siri, Siri, seriously?<br /><br />The links work just fine if you copy them into<br />your browser, and the YouTube link will bring<br />folks right over here for those interested.<br /><br />It's real simple.<br /><br />No problems at all on this side of the monitor.<br /><br />Siri, you should not make false accusations such<br />as you did and then propose to run off. <br /><br />There was no "strawman attack" in my postings there:<br /><br />http://activepassivitiesandothermoronicoxen.blogspot.com/2014/05/inaugural-guest-post-robert-baty-on.html<br /><br />If you think so, just "man-up", show up, and state<br />your case over there for my consideration. You can<br />also tell the folks how you spell your name and<br />whatever else you may want them to know about<br />you and your Presuppositional sympathies.<br /><br />-----------------------------------------------------------------------RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-39623549471548041702014-05-23T10:25:59.137-04:002014-05-23T10:25:59.137-04:00It's a small, small world, thanks, in part, to...It's a small, small world, thanks, in part, to the Internet, FaceBook, etc.!<br /><br />Dave Foda and I do happen to share some interests and our paths have crossed a number of times over the last year or so.<br /><br />If it wasn't for Dave Foda, the RationalWiki folks would probably not yet be aware that Kent Hovind is trying to sue them for libel (Kent has yet to affect "service" in that case), and Stuart Watson might not be the FFRF "Freethought in the Media" 2014 award recipient.<br /><br />Kinda funny how things like that work out sometimes!RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-13069077674097897292014-05-23T04:14:04.209-04:002014-05-23T04:14:04.209-04:00I first (digitally) met Robert Baty over a year ag...I first (digitally) met Robert Baty over a year ago, due to some mutual interests and friends. It was he he prompted me to start delving into the nonsense of presuppositional apologetics, which is a sort of last-ditch effort of fundamentalist Christianity.<br /><br />Every partaker of any particular worldview has their own take on things, but presuppositionalist Christianity is nothing more than a "stolen concept" of logic. It employs the lowest levels of abductive reasoning, and seeks to redefine that as the highest levels of deductive reasoning (or, at least, inductive reasoning).<br /><br />Robert is a Christian, and I am a vocal atheist. But we both share the same disdain for stupidity and willful ignorance of evidence.<br /><br />(Disclaimer: For the record, Robert did alert me to this blog post - I would not have known of it otherwise - but did not specifically ask me for my comments.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02309036061573890851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-25032506478701606672014-05-23T00:28:25.133-04:002014-05-23T00:28:25.133-04:00Sye Ten Bruggencate has indicated the same approac...Sye Ten Bruggencate has indicated the same approach when dealing with his adversaries. It's another fundamental point to remember as one might observe the public antics of Presuppositionalists; they are not really intending to engage in meaningful dialogue with their adversaries.<br /><br />I just ran across the following in the comments section of the YouTube video referenced. <br /><br />Siri is a former Presuppositional adversary of mine.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgbCTL0Fzw<br />https://www.facebook.com/siri.bright.9<br /><br />From: Siri Halston Bright<br />To: John Doe<br />Date: May 18, 2014<br /><br />(excerpts)<br /><br />I won't have bible study with a non-christian.<br /><br />Your opinions are meaningless about the<br />Scripture because you can't understand it.<br /><br />We are all told not to have bible study with<br />non-Christians.<br /><br />Where did you ever get the idea I'm open<br />minded to what you have to say? <br /><br />----------------------------------------------------------RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-87639037516985891082014-05-22T16:05:12.457-04:002014-05-22T16:05:12.457-04:00One of my YAHOO! group members mentioned Presuppos...One of my YAHOO! group members mentioned Presuppositionalism a couple of years ago. <br /><br />I didn't know what he was talking about and so let it pass.<br /><br />Later it caught my attention and the rest, they say, is history.<br /><br />One might also opine as to being surprised that atheists have taken presuppositionalism so seriously. <br /><br />It's a wonder to me to see how Sye Ten Bruggencate has risen to fame amongst the Presuppositional commoners.<br /><br />I don't know that theists or atheists generally take it all that seriously, but, given the Internet and YouTube and all, it looks like Presuppositionalists (Sye and his people) and atheists (Matt and his people) don't do much more than go round and round over Presuppositionalism.<br /><br />I have tried to engage in that popular public debate, though being but a tyro, and I think I've got a lot better angle on the fundamental issues than is evident by all the banter between the Presuppositionalists and Atheists.<br /><br />As I have often suggested, until the parties are ready to negotiate how the conversation might be seriously advanced, it ought to end after the following exchange:<br /><br />Presuppositionalist:<br /><br />- "Let's start with God."<br /><br />Atheist:<br /><br />- "Let's not."<br /><br />Where my advice is not taken I think you will see that while there is considerable banter there is no substantive advance in the conversation as to the fundamental issues in dispute.<br /><br />RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-57303928751771501352014-05-22T15:37:14.492-04:002014-05-22T15:37:14.492-04:00I'm a bit surprised that Christians are taking...I'm a bit surprised that Christians are taking presuppositionalism seriously, let alone atheists.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389356877316896875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-78791053403501333942014-05-22T13:09:55.496-04:002014-05-22T13:09:55.496-04:00Thanks I will work on that. My other blog got spa...Thanks I will work on that. My other blog got spam bombed and it was quite a task to clean it up, so I may have gotten carried away with the security settingsPeter Reillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01473701483727808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516483783176634966.post-89709800381608139292014-05-22T12:52:49.285-04:002014-05-22T12:52:49.285-04:00Good stuff. I had a long talk with a Presuppositio...Good stuff. I had a long talk with a Presuppositionalist the other day about whether his God needed a hug or not.<br /><br />Also, you may want to make it easier for people to log in to comment.spiritplumberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11103152769766633350noreply@blogger.com